Jalen Rose Is An Idiot: Two Parent Black Families Are Not “Uncle Toms”

I don’t know what kind of alternative universe Jalen Rose has been occupying but he’s one confused man. I could label him a racist and walk away, but there’s a bit more to it than that. He’s also classist, paternalistic and well….stupid. In my opinion. In case you’re thinking he’s a white male – he’s not! He’s black!

Two-parent African American families are in fact an endangered species.

“To hint that those who grew up in a household with a mother and father are somehow less black than those who did not is beyond ridiculous.”

That’s a quote from NBA Star Grant Hill in response to Jalen Rose’s nonsensical rantings that was published in this New York Time’s article. Perhaps Tim Wise can have a chat with him about the nuances of the mental acrobatics and soul sickness people like him have to endure to come up with such nonsense! He might listen to an explanation of his racist outlook better if it came from someone white.

Thanks to one of my readers for bringing this to my attention as I’ve now bumped my scheduled post to discuss this teachable moment. I don’t usually pay attention to what the boys who play with balls are up to because well….their antics usually raise my ire, but this is different.

If you’re interested in knowing who Rose is here’s his Wiki link. I don’t see anything special other than the fact he made a lot of money for colleges and professional sports teams. There’s a documentary about his career. Big whoop. Except…. here’s a little blurb that is interesting:

Rose’s biological father Jimmy Walker was a former #1 overall pick who started in the backcourt alongside Jerry West in an NBA All-Star game at one point in his career. Walker died in July 2007 of lung cancer. Although they eventually spoke several times over the phone, Rose never met his father in person.

Now we have our answer for his continued antagonism. Rose was a cast-off kid with a sperm donor “daddy”. This is rather typical deviant behavior displayed by the majority of black males in this country who abandon their children. See the CDC for the majority out of wedlock birth rates (or pull up my archives) that I’ve discussed for more three years. We don’t need to rehash that conversation.

Rose was discussing a rival team’s recruiting practices of selecting players (black players in particular) who came from more stable backgrounds and had a mommy AND a daddy at home. He included a major haterade-fueled swipe at Grant Hill and others. I’d be jealous too if I’d been ignored by a man that was supposed to love and care for me and had to compete against other players who were just as good (or better since Duke never lost against his team) AND had happier childhoods. Not to say that Rose’s mother didn’t try her best, but it’s gotta hurt to know peers who have daddies who are there for them…and you don’t.

So, I learned something new in the fact that schools like Duke had already noticed the downward spiral of dysfunction way back in the 80-90’s and wanted to avoid problems by not recruiting players like Rose in favor of players like Hill. I’m not going to say anything about the Lacrosse team! In case you weren’t aware Grant Hill is one of the few professional ballers who not only came from a stable home, but his parents have standards that they’ve instilled in their son that are useful to him to this day. Not only that but his parents worked very hard to achieve their success. Mr. Hill graduated from Yale and was a frat brother of George Bush’s – so they are well-established and not from the ‘hood.

Grant has publicly responded to Jalen’s jealousy remarks in a thoughtful manner. He has as always, spoken very highly of his parents. He has much to be proud of. It was actually beneficial that Rose did put his foot in his mouth so publicly because we have further examples to distinguish normal behavior from the zombies. This is such typical black on black racism and classism that follows the usual devaluation of pride and dignity. Blacks who use standard English are “talking white”. Black women who want to be treated well are “expecting too much”. It’s okay for a guy to “holla at you” in the middle of the street.

This is about values. We will continue to distinguish who we are and who we aren’t regardless of similar phenotype and melanin content. There are “those people” and there’s “us”. We may look the same but we have nothing in common with each other and need to separate.

Pearls of wisdom from Janet McDonald Hill:

“You can live without Chaucer and you can live without calculus, but you cannot make it in the wide, wide world without common sense.”

Mrs. Hill met the former First Lady and current Secretary Of State Hillary Rodham Clinton while they were both students at Wellelsey by the way. Doesn’t this all tie together nicely for Black Women’s History Month?!

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Transgriot wrote a nice post about Grant’s amazing mama a few years ago that you should read – http://transgriot.blogspot.com/2007/02/janet-hill.html

29 Replies to “Jalen Rose Is An Idiot: Two Parent Black Families Are Not “Uncle Toms””

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    1. The DBRs and ABCs are always going to protest functional thinking and accountability. This is why we will publicly state we don't know those people or adhere to their distorted philosophies.

  2. Awesome post.

    I've always liked and adored Grant Hill. Never heard of this Jalen Rose.

    Glad to see Grant Hill responding to the insanity of the "acting black" thought policeman. I wish there were millions more men like him in the public eye refuting the nonsense uttered by JR.

  3. I hope I'm not off topic but this is just an observation and a question I have.

    Does anyone else find it weird that certain black people strongly believe that black is some sort of lifestyle and/or set of destructive behaviors but these same people believe that black can be any color?I don't understand this way of thinking but I really don't think I want to.

    This post was really great for a teachable moment.It is best that we distinguish ourselves from those people in the way that Grant did and not how Professor Gates tried to. Grant showed class and dignity,and notice as a lighter skin man he mentioned nothing of his great great grand whoever that was probably white.He responded as a dignified black person should.I hope the ladies in the reading audience understands that Jalen Rose and his ilk most likely considers healthy normal things as being for other non black women.Expect hell, if you find yourself connected to these males in any way.A man like Grant that grew up with both parents married where the father worked and valued education is a safer choice than a Jalen Rose any day.

    1. Bingo! I guess I wasn't thinking about Hill's complexion but in such a rampant color-racist viewpoint, many blacks would. We're about the same shade and I don't consider myself lighter-skinned. It's average on the spectrum but it just goes to show you how this is such a focus. Skippy Gates grew up without a daddy as well and was at odds with his mother -- who was darker-skinned and a black nationalist. It's still black males that spend so much time focused on the palest skin tone/heritage/language configuration possible as being equitable to your "average" black [woman]. I'm just going to cut to the chase as that's their intention. Trying to apply the one-drop rule to their preferences while actively seeking women who are only marginally "black". Jalen Rose represents the typical diseased thinking of black men today. It's about time other people catch a clue. The only difference in this scenario is that Rose lashed out at another black male instead of a black woman. So it has garnered a LOT of attention and the same excuse-making, denials and dismissal that typically follows any critical analysis of DBR behavior and expectation of accountability.

  4. What I found striking about the NYT commentary were the comments "well he felt that way then, he might not feel that way now," Grant Hill was just misconstruing what was being said.

    Ridiculous, in my view. Hill had a right to comment on it, whether Rose's comments represented his current view or the view he held back then. It is important that he comment because there is a prevailing mindset and I'm sure many young black people who feel the way Rose do today. Perhaps some kid with that attitude will think twice about it and ask themselves just what is going on with the dislike and envy of children who grow up in two-parent families. As was said earlier, black women need to know about this mindset, I'm afraid, though, not enough black women will "get it," because they don't think it is possible or they still believe they need to "keep it real" by acting within the current norm of being "ride or die…"

    Sigh….

    1. I'm glad Grant Hill defended the values of a functioning family unit and addressed Jalen Rose's envy and contempt. It needed to be said. This is how men police the errant behavior of other men. This needs to be done across the board for the black woman bashing and child abandonment…but that's not going to happen. Anyway Grant should defend his parents and family so his response was appropriate. I didn't even scroll through the comments at the NYT because I was fairly certain the majority response was going to be more insanity. You only confirmed this. Black women….I've changed the term from Ride or Die to Ride AND die to reflect the accurate outcome of that type of suicidal behavior.

  5. Faith on another note I feel bad not being able to contribute to BWE blogs especially regarding the help for young AA girls who need protecting on the streets because I know what they feel like as I lived in the US for like 18 years! I have not, and I am not lying here,used a debit or credit card for 2.5 years. It was for the best as I had to keep an eye on things while my finances are taking a hit while I'm busy studying at the same time, and getting my life together.

    If anybody, and not just you Faith will take an international postal order (mail order) please let me know, as I'm not trying to use up people or their resources as might be too easily assumed I should say, but as I said I don't have a debit/credit card at all, not a real proper one. I hope everybody has heard me on that one because sometimes I feel sorry I even opened my mouth, just tell me where to send an international postal order, and I'll see what I can do.

  6. Jalen Rose is an UNCLE RUCKUS!! Basically what he implied that the group he came out of isn't HUMAN!!--It takes a MOTHER And a FATHER to raise human beings successfully and if you don't have that, pray for MENTORS. but mentors are few and far between (Uncle Ruckus, is a character from the Boondocks series who IS A TRUE UNCLE TOM)

    1. I know who Uncle Ruckus is. He's a take on Uncle Remus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Remus. Jalen Rose needs serious therapy but I'm not invested in dealing with obvious DBRs. I don't want to focus on him, but on the fact the mentality that equates dysfunction with being black so others can see just how prevalent it is.

  7. great article! i've been commenting on this situation a lot and it just baffles me how far down the rabbit hole black people have descended that it's a point of contention that Hill had accomplished parents. WTF? isn't that what one should want in life, high achieving parents and children to be proud of? Silly Jalen and the masses like him, they love to throw the term hater around but THEY are the major haters in this circumstance.

  8. Of course, this is a male child that was abandoned. So, the emotional trauma might be very different. I suggest Jalen actually spend some time around people who aren't bitter and learn to just let it go. It's amazing that he went to college (U. Michigan no less) and couldn't find a group friends or a male mentor that would foster a supportive environment. Or he might have been too forgone by then to even care, and just wanted to get some girls and live it up. I don't know. I think he's just mad at Grant Hill because he used the crutch of being an abandoned child as an excuse for his dysfunctional behavior instead of being responsible for his own happiness. And that's his own fault. No need to hate on Grant, sir! (I loved when he was in "Living Single", hehe)

    Wow, with all these idiots coming out within the last few weeks, I really hope folks out there do realize that there are black people out there with common sense. 🙁

  9. Wow…when did he say this?!?

    My father left the "family" (my parents weren't married) around the time I was 7 if I remember correctly, and I didn't hear from him again until right before I came to college, and that's only becasue he knew that he was dying and I guess he wanted to clear his conscience. He wanted my twin brother and I to catch him up on things and send him current pictures of us. My brother was more receptive of his advances, but I was really indifferent to the whole situation. I wasn't angry or happy. My line of thinking was: who is this stranger calling me asking me for pictures like I know him? No thank you. My brother spoke with him a few more times on the phone, but that was the one and only time I spoke to him.

    When I got into high school (private, majority white), I was able to see my friends' fathers and how a man should treat his children. Maybe it's because as I got older, my friends' fathers became good male figures in my life, so I never felt the need to lash out at others. Even when I was younger, I may have felt a little sad, but I never felt any anger towards them.

    1. I'm sorry that was your experience. Really, it's not the ideal but life isn't always fair and we have to find ways to overcome obstacles, set backs and disappointments. That's great you don't feel angry….but never…not even once? I'm not dispensing therapy nor do I want a public conversation about a private matter, but I hope you and your brother will utilize the college services and seek counseling. It does have a negative impact. As we can see with Rose -- whom I really have zero sympathy for though. His behavior indicates he's one of those types that would take advantage of kindness and lash out at others.

      1. I never felt angry, just sometimes hurt and confused about the whole situation when I was younger. My line of thinking is "What good is it going to do for me if I walk around mad at the world?" Obviously, the only thing it's done for Jalen Rose is made him bitter, and people don't like to be around bitter folks. I don't think I was ever angry because I honestly can't have an emotion for a person I don't know. All my friends' dads are cool to me and my twin brother, so we've been lucky to have positive male influence in our lives.

  10. Good post Faith.

    What you posted is the not-so-secret level of judgment being made in the world of college sports everyday. There are a number of successful teams/schools that choose to only recruit certain types of players — and they look for a general demographic profile that includes a stable home life. There are some boys from single-mother homes who are given a chance, but the coaches do a lot of talking with those mothers over a period of time to make sure that the boys have a strong value system and will not be a cancer on the team because of bad behavior.

    If you ever listen to coaches talk about a player they have recruited, they frequently will say, "He comes from a good family." Or they'll say that not only are they recruiting a player, they're recruiting his family. These are all coded phrases to drive home the point that giving away an athletic scholarship is NOT based on the kid's athletic ability alone, but the kid's personal background as well.

    Many programs have been brought down and coaches have lost their jobs when too many poorly behaved players from unstable homes decide to create havoc on campus. When a coach has had a few average years, sometimes schools will use a demonstrated pattern of bad behavior by players as their reason to finally fire the coach.

    A smart coach and smart athletic program realizes that they have to balance the need to win games with the need to keep order in the program. If that means screening athletes based on their upbringings and picking ones that are the least likely to cause trouble on campus, then that's what they will do.

    And a lot of young black men have no idea that, regardless of their amazing athletic talent, they have already been screened out by some elite college programs because of their backgrounds. When Jalen Rose recognized this, it made him understandably bitter, but he lashed out at the wrong person (Hill) and the wrong school/coach (Duke and Coach K), instead of the person who he should have been angry at — his absentee father.

    As for the lesson from this for black women? We need to understand that even though we don't think our mate choices or procreative choices should matter in the long run, if we make the wrong choices (picking DBRs, having kids with them) we are putting ourselves and our kids at a disadvantage from Day 1. Mainstream society — including an athletic arena that black people think is their oyster — is quietly taking greater steps to screen out people who fail to adhere to accepted societal standards, and the children of said people are not exempt from that. Instead of burdening our children with the "OOW black kid with no dad" tag, let's do better from the beginning so that our sons and daughters end up with an outlook like Hill's, and not the bitterness that Rose has.

    1. I thought these teams were only just starting to weed out the potential riff-raff, not that many had already noted the behavioral patterns and were avoiding trouble. As we see with Rose…unlike Hill. If people are taking notes and paying attention they will see this will only accelerate and those "hoop dreams", "rapper" etc. are not going to be the fall-back position available to the "boys from the 'hood" for much longer. Jockeys were phased out. Baseball players (with regards to American blacks being recruited) and soon the NBA and NFL will, too. Rose is definitely bitter. IF black males want to turn things around they can step up and address this. I of course will not be waiting and neither should any other black woman.

      1. "If people are taking notes and paying attention they will see this will only accelerate and those "hoop dreams", "rapper" etc. are not going to be the fall-back position available to the "boys from the 'hood" for much longer."

        YES!!!! I've been trying to tell folks this forever… there are already some DBR folks now grumbling that white guys with less athletic ability are getting spots on college basketball teams that these DBRs believe should go to black guys with more athletic talent. Someone (a non-DBR BM) had to point out that just because a guy is a good baller doesn't mean that he is owed a scholarship to any school he wants, and that black men who want to go to the college of their choice on an athletic scholarship need to get their grades and behavior together as well!

        As for the weeding-out process, some colleges have actually been doing this since the late 1970s. It's pretty much known by basketball followers which schools these are, and they've still managed to do pretty well in college competition (winning championships, etc.)

        There are other programs that are considered to be "renegade" programs and they're usually in western states like New Mexico, Nevada, etc., where basketball doesn't get much attention. I've seen some of these teams and they'll have a lot of "boys from the hood" on their rosters and you wonder how a kid from Baltimore ended up in New Mexico. They have occasional success, but the coaches often have to deal with undisciplined play, illegal off-court behavior, etc. These programs might win some big games, but usually struggle against the more selective programs.

        But again… the Baltimore kid might be just as good a player as someone like Grant Hill, but a shaky background made a lot of coaches pass on him and going to somewhere far away is the only choice he has. And often, he usually fails to make good on that!

        It's very interesting to see… this is only one segment of society, but it is a very good example to use when we talk to black women about the importance of marrying well and choosing a good husband and father for your children. To point out an area where the black community thinks that young black men have a great chance for success and showing black folks that even in the basketball world, there is a sifting and weeding process based on a boy's familial background, should provide a sobering dose of reality.

        1. This also goes on in the college football world but it just started more recently than in college basketball. My alma mater does this as well as several other high profile BCS schools. And with oversigning in college football, DBRs who act up are gone quick fast and in a hurry, especially at the southern schools.

          As for this situation, the chickens are coming to roost, some slower than others but we're just beginning to reap the whirlwind of bad choices. The time to get out is now for BW.

  11. Excellent Post — as usual. I feel sorry for Mr. Rose, but he can and should rise above his fatherless childhood. Both my parents were not raised by their biological fathers, but they have been married for 50 years and drummed respect for marriage into my sister and I.

    1. I don't feel sorry for him. No telling what type of chaos he's brought into relationships with women. I haven't done any research on his current life but based on patterns it wouldn't surprise me to find out he'd had a few cast off or neglected children of his own.

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